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- Becoming
A Filmmaker:
" The couple of movies I made in the
beginning of my work were in fact rooted
in my love for cinema and filmmaking and
the films I had seen and the filmmakers
I had admired. This kind of incentive for
making films comes to an end at some age
in life, and then one asks how long can
I continue working like this, how long can
I go on repeating myself? I knew I had to
begin studying cinema and try to find a
new understanding of it. I had to understand
where I stood and where the good filmmaking
in the world stood. I began to watch movies."
- Self Doubt:
" I was in the middle of making Tangsir
when I started questioning myself about
movies and the kind of cinema I wanted to
do, but my new attitude could not show itself
in that film, due to the nature of the work
– Tangsir was a big budget movie,
based on a bestseller, featuring Iran's
number one movie star. I had to worry about
the producer's money and the box office
returns."
- Self Education:
" After that I decided to make a definite
choice in my career. One option was to become
a professional filmmaker in the commercial
cinema, but I knew that was not what I wanted.
My study intensified, and took many shapes
and forms, however the most important part
of it was seeing movies and talking with
people who could tell me something from
their knowledge and experience."
- A Film
For Children:
" I thought I had arrived at only some
of what I was looking for in my first short,
Harmonica, because my spiritual search was
not yet finished. I made that movie immediately
after Tangsir."
- Pause Before
Waiting:
" Before embarking on Waiting, I paused
for about a year without making anything.
I can call that film my first experience
in the so-called anti-plot, or anti-story
filmmaking, where there is very little in
the way of dialogue, and the visual language
and natural sound carried the movie.
During this period, I studied certain filmmakers
from whom I knew I could learn something.
Fortunately, due to my experience in still
photography, I knew very well how to look
at pictures and learn from visual information."
- Discovering
Antonioni And Renoir:
" I had realized that the kind of cinema
in Tangsir could not be of much help in
my development, and in the meantime, I was
introduced to the work of some people who
shook me out of my lull. One of them was
Antonioni on whom I worked a lot after discovering
him.
It was 1970, or before that when I saw his
L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960).
I felt close to it. At the time I was a
professional still photographer, ands at
the time, I also did a little painting.
In Antonioni I saw a point I had seen in
painting before: the Impressionist element.
This was not my discovery of course; I was
just coming to it, a little later than everyone
else. The trace of the great painters such
as Van Gogh, Cezan, Emil Bonnar, Matisse
and Monet in Antonioni's work left a strange
influence on me. I was not so much drawn
to the realism of Rembrandt and Reubens
and court painters. The Impressionist painting
attracted me the most. It was another element
telling me where I stood.
After seeing L'Avventura I felt really bad.
When I saw Il Grido (Antonioni, 1957) I
got worse. At the end of Renoir's The Rules
Of The Game (Jean Renoir, 1939) I walked
home on foot, alone."
- An Odd
Interest:
" I made (fellow Iranian filmmaker)
Kamran Shirdel miserable for four years,
because every day, and a few hours a day
I kept talking with him about Antonioni.
It was odd and interesting for him too.
He couldn't believe that somebody with my
kind of job and my particular attitude to
life could appreciate Antonioni, and I think
it took me about four years more to be able
to articulate for him my reasons for liking
Antonioni. Another person with whom I talked
a lot was (Iranian film critic) Parviz Dava'i."
- Translated
Literature:
" In Iran, we thrive on translation.
Most of our acquired culture, especially
in the area of the contemporary arts and
literature, comes to us through translation.
I read everything which was translated and
was available on cinema. Certain arts, such
as painting and filmmaking, do not belong
to any particular part of the world. I wanted
to see how the artists have dealt with this
global language in various parts of the
world.
In addition to the translated texts, I used
to buy foreign magazines and have my friends
translate interesting articles for me. Shirdel,
Dava'i, as well as Bahman Maghsoudlou, helped
me a lot. I do not have any academic education,
and I learned what I learned through feeling,
and then I worked on it further through
reading and watching movies."
- Visual
Emphasis:
" I really shouldn't brag about it,
but I think beginning with Waiting, I started
to use Impressionism Style in my films.
I think I am probably a little successful
in Waiting, and in The Search 2, a film
that was never shown. Of course I haven't
seen Waiting for years now, but I still
remember that I felt it was 95% close to
what I had been looking for at the time."
- Controlling
Accidents:
" The work of Henri Cartier Bresson
is one of the pillars of my style of seeing,
my vision of cinema. I had seen a lot of
his pictures before, but I had not paid
close attention to them. But later I found
myself shaken by his work.
One of the characteristics of his work was
that he did not set up anything in front
of the camera, but he thought a lot beforehand
about the picture he was going to take.
For example, if he was going to work on
the subject of accidents, he would think
about it prior to taking any shots, and
more important than that, he had an incredible
sense of timing. It seems that just moments
before something was going to happen, he
had his camera ready. The impressionist
culture which is also present in Bresson's
work causes to shift the focus of the picture.
For example, although the picture might
be about an accident, the accident is not
the center of gravity of the picture, but
there is a cat somewhere falling down from
a roof. It was this secondary meaning and
impression that I understood from the art
of impressionists. When I looked at a Van
Gogh painting from a close distance, it
was bricks of paint piled on top of each
other, but from afar, the picture took a
shape and gradually became, for instance,
a wheat field."
- Fear Of
Imitation:
" I wanted to use Impressionism and
the art of collage in my films, but I had
not yet found a way. When I saw the films
of Antonioni and Renoir, and also, I almost
forgot to mention, when I saw Mouchette
(Robert Bresson, 1966), I shook all over.
I had found what I had been looking for.
But I couldn't copy them. That would have
been a mistake, a dangerous one. I could
easily be branded as Westernized, or sympathetic
to the Western culture. Besides, I did not
want to display my interests in an imposing
or a derivative way, imported from the West.
This was like seeing a modern French boutique
in Sani-doleh Street, which is one of Tehran's
oldest and most traditional streets. That
boutique would be very unbecoming."
- A Persian
Framework:
" When I saw the Westernization of
our society and the growth of the imported
culture in our midst, I knew that I could
not possibly succeed if in order to express
my new interests I didn't find a framework
suitable to our own culture. So, I was back
to square one again, this time to place
my new findings in the cinema and the arts
of our own society. And in the images of
my birthplace Abadan, I found that unique
coexistence of Iran's oldest and most traditional
elements and the Western world. Now, Abadan
was the embodiment of this cultural marriage
between East and West. This was a city which
was neither Iranian, nor Western. One side
was a traditional style Iranian Market,
the ba'zar, and on the other side, there
were the oil tankers, and tens of ocean
liners in various colors. You could see
an Arab woman completely under veil and
protective mask, and at the same time, you
could see a Western woman in the latest
Paris fashion with her child and a can of
Coca Cola in his hand passing by a foreign
sailor. I noticed that this combination
had always been present in my life and this
sensibility had been rooted in my own background.
Thus I decided to give a new form to what
I had grown up, mold it into the form I
had developed in my mind. Again I began
to study, read and see movies, this time
to the point of death."
- Literary
Influences:
" My studies outside the realm of cinema
were focused on literature, especially fiction,
and especially novels of Faulkner and Hemingway.
I learned a lot from these two. Of course,
their style is very different from each
other, and Hemingway is closer to the kind
of work in which I am most interested. I
discussed them with experts. Another writer
who influenced me was Maupassant, and yet
another was Chekhov, of course. I must have
read some of his short stories more than
fifty times."
- Success
With Western Audiences:
" Thank God I am a person who can say
that he comes from the heart of our society,
and like many others, I have had quite an
ordinary life. But I have reached the conclusion
that one doesn't have to live an ordinary,
conservative life forever. We don't have
to occupy ourselves with mundane things
all the time and avoid ambition. One has
the right to proceed. When you consider
Van Gogh for example, you see that he was
an ordinary man who reached to that high
stage. In Iran we have great poets, such
as Hafiz and Molavi, who are exceptional
and unique, but in cinema, I could not find
anyone to refer to. That was why I sought
refuge in foreign films. Now, if my films
were similar to Western films, that means
I had lost my bid. But if my culture is
explained and depicted in my films in a
language that foreign viewers understand,
then I have gained. And I think the latter
may have been the case.
I think that Waiting was to be shown in
Iran at this time, it could find its own
audience, especially now that the people
have seen films like The Runner and The
Search, I think Waiting would be more meaningful
to the audience.
I had my doubts, I have to admit, about
the potential of The Runner with the Iranian
audience. I don't know if they like The
Runner as entertainment when they see it,
but one thing I am sure of is that this
film has turned at least five people in
to filmmakers of the future."
- Marsiyeh:
" After Waiting, I made another film
with a more or less narrative style called
Elegy, and I continued to experiment with
a visual expression. However, because we
had a story there, I was again drawn to
story-telling techniques and naturalism.
But even at that time, and later, whenever
I looked at that film, I saw that I was
only successful when my interest in impressionism
takes over."
- Made in
Iran:
" Something similar to Elegy happened
in my next film Made in Iran. That was it.
No more doubts and hesitations. Cut! I had
picked a definitive direction for my future."
- The Search,
a Movie Without a Script:
" The first sign of the end of wavering
and overcoming the doubts was, in my opinion,
The Search. I liked Alain Resnais' Night
And Fog (1955), which by the way is one
of the most brilliant documentaries about
war and its impact on society that I have
seen. What I liked most about this film
was its impressionistic aspects. And again,
in The Search, I consider myself more successful
when we leave the dialogue and enter the
nightmarish last twenty minutes of the film."
- Low Budget
Independence:
" In this type of work, I cannot and
should not go after a commercial producer
who is always worried about his money and
the number of shooting days we can afford.
I made The Search with very little money
from Iranian TV on 16mm black and white
film. It was a film, which was to be shown
one night on television. I leveled my expectations
in terms of production, so that I would
not have to lose any of my independence."
- Sketching
For Script:
" One of the good things they do in
the visual arts is sketching. I thought
with myself it would be good to sit down
and write a sketch about Amiro, the character
of The Runner. For example, Amiro is an
orphaned young adult who is homeless and
gets into many different jobs to make money,
and meets a challenge that changes his life
and gives him a new consciousness. When
the sketch is good, the painting becomes
good, otherwise it is a waste of paint.
The Search was in fact a sketch about the
refugees of the revolution. It was made
without a finished script. Each day I set
out shooting, I selected from the subjects
that were around us and happened every day
and thus were outside my control and will
as a filmmaker. From all that happened around
us every day I had to select the events
and personalities that I found closest to
my original idea. This is the hardest part
of this kind of filmmaking."
- Arranging
Accidents:
" I visited a point on the Tehran-Qum
highway more than forty times in preparation
for a two-minute sequence of The Search.
I stood by the highway looking, pacing and
thinking to the point of not sleeping at
all at nights. I had a notepad with me all
the time, even in the middle of the night
I used to get up and jot down a few lines.
These were ideas based on what I had seen."
- Working
Under The Gun – The Search 2:
" At the Iran-Iraq war fronts where
I shot The Search 2, I was always doing
my work, setting up shots, giving directions,
despite everything that was going on; even
under the barrage of Iraqi guns, I always
knew what my next shot was going to be.
I usually become so tuned to the location
that I usually get what I want out of it.
This is the principle in Bresson's photography
that I was talking about. When you look
at his pictures of short moments and accidents,
it seems that everything was set up beforehand
for his camera. I practiced this principle
during the filming of The Search 2 and I
was amazed at the way it worked out."
- Censorship:
" I have no idea why The Search 2 was
banned by Iranian TV and was never shown."
- A Day's
Work:
" I deal with everything around me
during filming. When I come out to begin
the day's work, the weather, the air, the
car dashing past me on the road and all
the particles in the air influence the first
shot we take that day."
- Controlling
The Observed:
" I agree that documentary filmmaking
is one of the pillars of what I do. I realized
this from early on, and I started seeing
the films of Flaherty and many others, especially
Vertov. In Vertov's The Man With A Movie
Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929), it appears
that Vertov had arranged everything, it
seems so calculated and preconceived. But
the truth of the matter is that he has gone
around with the camera shooting everything,
but he has shot everything only the way
he wanted. In this way, the film is really
controlled, although he had not set up,
arranged and rehearsed the shots in advance.
In The Search there are many shots which
happened spontaneously. Many a time I suddenly
saw something and hurried the crew to shoot
it. However there are many shots that I
have deliberately arranged. When I put these
two kinds of shots together in front of
you and you cannot tell the difference,
that means it has worked."
- A Room
With A Chicken:
" For example, while we were shooting
The Runner, I could not find a room to shoot
the boy's home. I looked everywhere for
a room I could rearrange. Eventually I saw
an abandoned ship and I said that is it.
I remembered that once as a child, I had
lived in such a place for a while. I felt
that the ship's architecture and the shapes
of its cabin were in harmony with the feeling
with which I wanted to set up Amiro's room.
And then I set it up. If you see a needle
there on the floor, I had set it up. Everything.
When I wanted to start shooting the scene,
I realized that it lacked something. So
I sent someone after a small chicken. When
they brought the chicken and put it in the
room, I felt it was fixed. I wanted the
room to have a life in it. Amiro couldn't
have a mother, and nobody visited him. I
wanted him to carry the load all by himself.
Thus, the chicken provided a life there
without the need for another character.
The chicken was a living creature which
was dependent on Amiro, who had nobody to
depend on but himself."
- Music No
More:
" From Waiting on, I did away with
music in the films' soundtracks. I think
the music makes the image melodramatic.
I want to avoid that. This kind of emphasis
belongs to the narrative cinema. What I
learned from Impressionist painting was
that I can either do my job with the scene's
elements or I can't. If I can't, then I
would be using music to impose on my audience
a feeling which I couldn't express with
my film, Although I do listen to music a
lot and I have had a lot of my visual ideas
while listening to music. For example, my
latest film, Water, Wind, Sand was made
while I was listening to a lot of Beethoven."
- Consciousness
Curve:
" In Elegy a man who had been in jail
for a while is released. He walks out with
curiosity. Wherever he looks, he finds the
society further in decay and more materialistic
than before. But he is not supposed to learn
anything. He is just an observer and he
realizes that nothing positive has happened
in the society while he was gone.
In The Runner the case is just the opposite.
There Amiro's observation of his environment,
his various jobs and his hesitations show
him that if he does not want to have that
destiny, he had better get moving, begin
to act and transform his conditions. When
he sees the crippled boy, he realizes that
without legs he can't move. Thus he changes
his job to avoid his foot being bitten away
by the sharks. Each new situation is a step
towards consciousness, even some kind of
spiritual consciousness."
- Hope In
The Runner:
" Unlike my earlier films, there is
hope in The Runner. I think I have changed,
my attitude towards life has changed over
time."
- More Hope:
" And there is also hope, even more
hope, a hopeful desire and a dream of prosperity
in Water, Wind, Sand, which is about total
devastation, poverty and disaster. I had
seen the Hirmand River, which had recently
dried up, causing a lot of people to move
away and turning that whole area into an
instant desert."
- Three Months
In The Sandstorm:
" Water, Wind, Sand was shot in ninety
days in the most difficult circumstances.
The temperatures were nearly 100° Fahrenheit
every day and the continuous winds ranged
from forty to one hundred and twenty miles
per hour. Working with only a crew of five
people with limited supplies of food and
water and sleeping in shelters without any
ceilings, we eventually became part of the
nature in that area."
- Reasons
for Three Years Ban:
" I have no idea why Water, Wind, Sand
was banned by the government for three years.
But I was happy and grateful when they eventually
decided to release the film, both in Iran
and abroad."
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